So move along pretty much.

Ok.

Watch my accounts.

Later.

*** not a rage quit.
Just disagreement and something I do not want to affiliate myself with.

You forgot that it's pretty much guaranteed CCP saw the Bonus Room article on Miner Bumping ages ago.

Except the Bonus Room never brought attention to CCP...

It was Ripard Teg saying "LOOK AT THE TORTURE THAT GOES ON IN EVE ONLINE AND CCP DOES NOTHING".

I mean I guess that's hard for you to understand though.

Minerbumping.com is saying E1 has been permabanned.

He was banned in this environment. 3 months or so iirc

From what I understand t was ongoing. He was actually kicked form Goons for being too extreme. There are several recordings out there that have him asking people to do various things with peanut butter and/ or mayo. Read the thread.

Mynnna is a sufficiently authoritative source for me.

If you're really concerned, get an alt into goonswarm and check. it's not that hard.

Sure, like no one has ever heard of the goon recruitment scam, You must think I'm an idiot don't you. Proof or GTFO

So freedom of speech is supported up until someone's feelings get hurt, then its hate speech and pitchfork time? Pretty much sum it up from a CCP and pansy CSM perspective?

I offer a closing scene from 'A Few Good [Scammers]'...

Col. Erotica1: "Son, we live in a [sandbox], and that [sandbox] has to be guarded by men with [guts]. Who's gonna do it? You [Malcanis]? You, Lt. [Ripard]? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for [Sohkar], and you curse the [scammers]. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That [Sohkar's bonus room], while tragic, probably [entertained many]. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, [entertains many].

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me [in that sandbox], you need me [in that sandbox]. We use words like [awox], [scam], [metagame]. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very [content] that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a [teamspeak client], and [scam someone]. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

Col. Erotica1: "[contemptuously] You f#ckin' people... you have no idea how to defend a [sandbox]. All you did was weaken [the meta game] today, [pansies]. That's all you did. You put people's [sandbox] in danger. Sweet dreams, son."

Guardians of the players my arse, CSM should be disbanded immediately.

F

Yes, he started a ****storm, but I don't think it's logical to conclude it was for personal reasons. Obviously, there are people who want to believe that -- and for us to believe it, as well -- to discredit criticism of their "content" or emergent gameplay.

I think it took a while for anything to get done because the forums are a big place and the blogosphere even bigger. Just because there's a dustup in one area doesn't mean it's universally known about. In the chat with Sohkar last night, it turned out he didn't know much about the thread or even about the CSM.

Even if Ripard knew about this a month ago (and I have no idea when he actually found out), do you seriously blame the guy for getting his ducks in a row first before coming out against it in public?

This "Oh, it's been going on forever so objecting to it now = personal vendetta" thing doesn't hold water.

The Bonus Room activities smell wrong to a number of people. I swear, when I heard those audios, the first thing that came to mind was the squeal like a pig scene in Deliverance. (Yeah, yeah, I know there are no guns or knives or sexual assault in the Bonus Room, but the vibe is similar.)

Thank you CCP. The threadnaught is dead (I wish i could of liked your lock post falcon) And We now know without a doubt where CCP stands.

Thank you, thank you thank you.

Please explain in detail the thought process behind asking another player to dribble mayo on their mouth and take a picture. Then explain why E1 got so upset when people found personal details about his purchasing habits from info he left in public. Then tell us about his peanutbutter fetish. Explain why he was too extreme to remain in GS and was kicked. Why does he get his kicks from humiliating others. Then tell us all why we should give a rat's ass about another random weirdo that got caught out there fapping to other's misery.

You can't ,can you? You have to stick to the talking points you were issued.

The short answer is we don't know and CCP won't tell us. They don't discuss individual cases. Noone here knows, for sure, that E1 has been banned either - it's all inference.

Sohkar can't be banned as per CCP policy



Seems pretty clear cut to me, anything you do on the Eve sever is banable, anything outside is not.

Not really sure what all the fuss is about, unless CCP are being inconsistent with their policies and I can't imagine they would ever do that now would they?

Straws. You are grasping at.

First, welcome to the forum
Second, yes:

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

The rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

Does anyone care what the "victim" thought in this situation? He didn't even think of himself of a victim, until riptard publicly shamed him even worse..

In these cases the opinion of the victim does not count much, look up the term "Stockholm syndrome".

It is not restricted to hostage scenario's, that's only where it was first observed and classified.

Read the definition, even the 2nd paragraph on wikipedia states:

'Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other."'

See we could make this a threesome, if you could accept that people need to be warned by CCP when they are crossing the invisible line. When warned you get the chance to adapt and HTFU, if not warned you don't need to because it's all good.

D.

From what I have read, Sokhar has defended/played down what had happened. And if that's the case a mild 'Stockholm syndrome' could be an explanation.

Edit: Also in the latest recording Sohkar also states he didn't want to join Erotica's corp, be a bonus room agent, or really have anything to do with erotica... So theirs that too

In any case the opinion of the 'victim' does not matter much, just as in the case of domestic violence. If someone gets injured the authorities will act, even if the victim defends the perpetrator. At least in most civilized countries I guess.

The slippery slope argument slips both ways.

Without intervention, bad conduct will slide into worse conduct.

It is exactly to prevent that sliding, that action must be taken.

And what has prompted that action, is a group of people "sliding" down that side of the mountain into a place that the game doesn't want to be.

Erotica1, with his extreme and protracted actions, has jeapordised all of our freedom.
Its exactly people that abuse the levity of existing laws, that force society to implement stricter ones, whereas before, the existing ones where adequate.

This is no hero of freedom we are talking about here. Its someone who irresponsibly abused the freedom we had, to the result that now all of our freedom is under closer scrutiny and tighter parameters.

Except that Erotica 1 was the one who posted it "all over internet" and CCP was not immediately aware of it. Or can you prove that they were aware of what goes inside the bonus room right from the beginning? I do think that Erotica 1 would have been eventually banned (assuming he is banned), but you guys wouldn't have had messenger to shoot.

Now, get over your grief over your loved one's apparent banning and play the game.

Lol plz.

Last year,I made a police report about online libel and defamation about a person who was doing such towards me in a setting where I am identifiable IRL. I was interviewed by the police and provided evidence in the form of screenshots, dates and logs. The detective who interviewed me and I, sat and managed to identify the person from pics in his site thatshowed his band, and from the band name written on their drums, which we then checked the bands site for and identified the singers name. After that, all it requires is for the cops to knock on his door and corroborate that it is infact the same person.

Only last month, around a year later, did the prosecutor call me and ask if I still wanted them taken to court. I replied yes and to my knowledge it is now being decided in court. Im not suing for damages, so to my knowledge I will never know the outcome. Its between the perpetrator and the State now.

Some things take time.

As to whether any of this would have happened if Ripard hadnt written his blog, that is pure speculation and irrelevant for two reasons:
1) Ripard Teg can write whatever he wants on his blog. Erotica1 is a virtual entity that exists only in a game. You cant defame a virtual alias which has no legal status, and furthermore that would require the blog tohave lied, which to my reading, it does not.
Ripard Tegs blog is covered by normal freedom of expression. If he had mentioned at any point Erotica1s real legal identity, that would have been a different matter, but he has not, so it is not.
Furthermore Ripard Teg did not post even once in the threadnaught. The thread is only representative of those who participated in it. Nor did the threadnaught occur on Ripards site, it occured here, on CCPs pages.

2)Your chicken and egg argument falls on the point, that if Erotica1 had not been doing this stuff, to such a degree, for so long, NONE of this would have followed.

CSMs have stated they are satisfied Erotica1 was given due process, and their support of the CCP statement is written into the statement itself.

Its ironic, and transparent, to the extreme, that the same people who tried to claim Erotica1 was the subject of a witch-hunt, are now trying to instigate a witch-hunt themselves on Ripard Teg.

It wont work :)

You lost. HTFU and deal with it :)

Heard he is banned for 30days.

I'll let Malcanis answer that one:

You dun goofed, Ms.Mad-Alt

Some people (and their numerous alts) here should be careful what they say, so they don't contradict what they said in the threadnaught :)

Oooooooh. You wound me deeply.

And I'm calling you and the rest of the whiners here butthurt alts.
Sorry. Call it as I see it :)

Thanks for confirmation.

Seemed like butthurt alt associates of Erotica1 crying cos no more profit or faprecordings.
But your confession works just as good :)

What is this "trolling" of which you speak?

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You lose. Again.

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The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category.

When Erotica posted the link to the Sohkar Bonus Round on the EVE forums in late February, that cleared up any question of the audio possibly being doctored to frame him.

It also brought an incident that occurred on a third party platform here onto CCP property. His posting of it, since he was the instigator, could be seen as further harassment of the victim.

And why wasn't the link simply removed by an ISD? Why hasn't the link STILL not been removed?

Perhaps this ban wasn't really about the content, more about a semantic reason to give the mob the blood they were calling for, as ginned up by a certain CSM with tales of 'torture'?

If you don't like it, you can leave.

Blah, blah, blah I'm just a NPC corp forum troll

FTFY.

This is like arguing with children.
Incredible that adults can be so ignorant, and speaks volumes to the importance of education.

And whats really funny, is that nothing you do, will change CCPs Statement.
Deal with it.

Ask CCP.

I am not in a position to answer questions that only CCP can.

Snip

LOL

He's turning our debate into a preschool ***** slinging contest.

It's pretty obvious he has no idea what he's doing. Maybe he's a youngster aspiring to one day be a lawyer. But for now he really needs to work on qualifying his statements. He either doesn't understand how to or what it even means.

I think CCP handled the matter well, and I support it.

That the CSM have stated they are satisfied Erotica1 was handled fairly, and that they support the Statement, reinforces my confidence in CCPs handling of the matter.

False. I have nowhere on these boards claimed to be a lawyer, nor edited any post to that effect.

Let me try it this way, as far as I can tell this question in no way violates any rule of the forum:

The grounds as outlined seem very broad and vague. What assurance do we have that this will not be abused?

Shame on CCP for letting ripard teg get away with this.... We are back to witch hunt days....

So if someone does something stupid in fleet and makes me mad, I can get them banned, right?

no matter how many accomplices complain.

Also;

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Chopper+Rollins

Hows that work then if you have no kills?

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Chopper+Rollins#losses

HELL of a lot of losses tho

AH, same as me then, forum alt. LOL

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.

The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

You two might as well get started with some new forum alts.

My magic eight ball tells me you are shortly going to need them.

Mr Epeen

Accept your defeat already, with what little dignity you have left.

I'm still waiting to find out what grounds people think CCP can be sued in the "inevitable" lawsuit.

Because their trolling posts are being deleted for trolling.
Hardly a mystery.

Whats this? You are soliciting for pics of my balls or something?
Ladies.. plz...

You are the one claiming I have no balls.
How else am I supposed to disprove your false claim?

What makes you think this is not my main?

@Ramona and Asia:

So these are your mains then?

PS: Its not noob corp. Its NPC corp.

Funny then that my Corp infact has proportionately less noobs in it, than yours :)
(Not to mention inbred relatives...!)

Alts of yours. Hence, all noobs.

@Asia: You can leave whenever you want.

Nope.
(Sound familiar?)

This is actually not totally the case. The fact that CCP has instated PLEX, which now directly equates in game assets to real life money, put them in a precarious position. Some countries may feel that a company has no right to take away the assets of an individual even under certain guidelines. Though if it goes to court maybe the judge will laugh at the case. Who knows.

what i'm saying is that these things don't have a legal standing currently

If you decided to hire a lawyer to get your LoL account un-"perma'd" or a refund on the purchases you made then either you settle out of court or we'll finally have some legal precedence as to how this stuff works.

That's like you buying your cable modem from your cable provider and they drop you because of whatever reason and they come and take your cable modem.

There are a few routes people can to sue a games company.

I could likely sue CCP for breach of contract, and have been looking into it n regards to recovering money I paid them in return for services they promised and did not provide.

The general idea is that every transaction is a contract. If you pay some money to somebody for something you have created a contract, the terms of contract if not specified will be what a reasonable person expects to be promised in exchange for their valuable contribution, this is so even if no specific contract is in existence - refer to Donaghue v Stevenson 1932 regarding the snail in the bottle of gingerbeer.

When a specific contract exists that contract spells out the requirements of what is promised and while a company can try to indemnify itself with clauses those clauses often have no effect on the contract if they fall outside what can be reasonably be expected to be provided.

A company can say "you agree to indemnify XXX Pty Ltd for any damages caused even if those damages are a result of negligence of XXX Pty Ltd" however that clause is in most places invalidated by statute and case law. Its only put into the contract to dissuade people from taking action or to cover XXX Pty Ltd in the limited circumstances where the clause is valid in limited areas.

Regarding Virtual Property Law, there have been some judgements made which have found virtual property to not be the sole property of the company which 'owns' them.

The main thing that stops people from suing I think is more related to the value of the property vs the cost of persuing legal action against the companies in question.

In CCP's case, I think the big issue is going to be that certain entities in game now hold vast amounts of virtual property, some properly in the area of hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars given the conversion rate of isk to plex. In light of that it may become worthwhile and cost effective for someone to eventually sue CCP for damages in respect of losses.

You not understanding basic legal principles doesn't make me wrong. Everyone should have this basic understanding of contracts. Doesn't require being a lawyer.